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Post by UGI on Jun 26, 2013 16:59:25 GMT
I have been thinking about this and would like to hear other players opinions on the subject (including Pav's of course)
From a realistic standpoint I would think a boxer would not receive a salary, but a percentage of the winnings. Of course, as a boxer becomes more successful he would demand a higher percentage of the winnings.
The remainder of the winnings would go to the manager/gym to pay for rent/coachs salary/cutmen salary etc.
There are a couple reasons I feel that a boxer taking % of winnings may be a better option vs. a boxers salary.
1. Stabilize finances. Finances can become very volitale, esp. if you have any of your top boxers decide to take a vacation. This situation can be even worse if you are already losing money with a particular boxer.
2. Small gym vs larger gym. As the salaried boxers become more successful they demand a higher and higher salary....usually to the point that the gym is losing money on that boxer. In order to compensate for those losses you need to hire more lower ranked fighters and hope you make enough money to break even. This really forces a player to have a maxed out/larger gym.
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Post by bullan on Jun 26, 2013 17:29:46 GMT
Sounds like a positive way forward ( and yeah beats having low ranked fighters support the higher ones ) .
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Post by Pav on Jun 26, 2013 18:00:39 GMT
I was just thinking bout increasing the limit of how much money really high ranking boxers bring in. Right now it is limited to just over 1 Mil per fight, but needs to get adjusted because the average rating has gone up by a lot. So boxers can already make 1 Mil in a fight at Continental level and then just stagnate at this, kind of not fair.
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Post by Pav on Jun 26, 2013 21:05:19 GMT
I just increased how much boxer will bring to the gym for very elite boxers. Some, like Taner Oyal or Ludovit Jesensky now make bring over 3 mil per fight.
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Post by UGI on Jun 26, 2013 21:46:27 GMT
Perhaps the boxers ranking or the average ranking should be a determining factor in the purses. Here is the situation: I currently have a boxer that is up for contract renewal www.box2glory.com/npc/8918bio.htmHe has been fighting at the top of the europe ranks for some time now. His average take is around 650k/fight. With the current negotaions he is asking for 180k/week (1.2M/fight) to 77k/week (539k/fight) With the current purses where he is ranked now the only thing I can do is lowball and hope he accepts....or give him more money and hope I can get him to advance, but the purses at the world level are not much better, so I will probably still lose money with him regardless. Im trying to dig myself out of a financal hole and dont want to overpay, so Im probably just better off letting him go. If you "overpay" with a couple of fighters and then they decide to go on vacation or get injured you can start to lose money VERY quickly....believe me i know. |
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Post by Pav on Jun 26, 2013 22:39:57 GMT
i made adjustment that ticketprice goes up depending on boxer score. It only applies when the sum of two boxers score is over 16,000. ticketprice=ticketprice*((boxer1score+boxer2score)/16000). So if two boxers fight their combined score is 32,000 they both make double of what they used to make. Ludovit Jesensky has a score of over 40,000 so pretty much guaranteed to triple his purse no matter who he fights. So does his opponent!
Consider that to be the most elite of the sport that people are willing to pay a lot more to see.
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Post by jetcat on Jun 27, 2013 7:56:27 GMT
Did I just hear punchy's head hitting the wall repeatedly?  |
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Post by punchy on Jun 27, 2013 11:28:23 GMT
Did I just hear punchy's head hitting the wall repeatedly? As you can imagine, this is a subject that I have a fair degree of familiarity with...I think I am finally out of the woods and can start to try and pick up some good fighters again rather than just those who I think can make me decent money. I am about to lose 2 fighters who are very good, 1 of whom I think is a potential world champion but I just cannot take on the commitment to sign him unless I know that he is going to be profitable... |
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Post by punchy on Jun 27, 2013 11:30:44 GMT
Just to put UGI's original point into perspective, my gym had a fortune of something approaching $30 million and I ended up needing to be bailed out by 2 of my generous partners so I think UGI's suggestion was entirely valid...
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Post by UGI on Jun 27, 2013 15:37:44 GMT
So I'm not the only one that has gone from rags to riches and back to rags again. I was at $25M+ took on some boxers that were not profitable, those same boxers decided to take a vacation or got injured. Add in some boxers from the UGI academy (they wont fight for a while) and your finances sprial out of control quickly. At one point I was losing 1M+ per week. I ended up having to play out the contracts and lost my fortune. In hindsight I should have hired more bum fighters, but I've been looking to run a smaller higher status gym.
I want to be able find a few lower status prospects and raise them up to a higher status and be able to KEEP them with a few lower status prospects behind them. You just cant do that given the salary structure of the top fighters. Hopefully the changes Pav made will help.
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Post by Pav on Jun 27, 2013 15:50:37 GMT
I really like the salary concept. It is like real world. The game is based on Football Manager and you pay salary to players and get money from people watching matches. I think what I did will help with money. Look at today's title fight at Superweight www.box2glory.com/2035/January/235553.htm The total purse was over 4 million. That is more than double the usual (combined score of two boxers must have been about 35,000). It would be possible to make 3-4million per fight once you get to top be in world top 4. This should help. |
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Post by martb6 on Jun 27, 2013 16:20:31 GMT
I was just wondering if the fight purses are correct in my three fights today as i got less than 40k in total.
10k for a home fighter at world rank #11
25k for away fighter in continental rank #14
2.6k for a UK title defense
These were all undercards.
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Post by punchy on Jun 27, 2013 16:23:12 GMT
So I'm not the only one that has gone from rags to riches and back to rags again. I was at $25M+ took on some boxers that were not profitable, those same boxers decided to take a vacation or got injured. Add in some boxers from the UGI academy (they wont fight for a while) and your finances sprial out of control quickly. At one point I was losing 1M+ per week. I ended up having to play out the contracts and lost my fortune. In hindsight I should have hired more bum fighters, but I've been looking to run a smaller higher status gym. I want to be able find a few lower status prospects and raise them up to a higher status and be able to KEEP them with a few lower status prospects behind them. You just cant do that given the salary structure of the top fighters. Hopefully the changes Pav made will help. No you are definitely not alone. Jetcat and Bullans bailed me out to the tune of about $8-9 million between them by buying my 2 hottest prospects or else I would never have come back from being in a negative financial position. I think that Pav's changes will help but I still feel that yur suggestion is more realistic as boxers don't earn salaries... |
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Post by Pav on Jun 27, 2013 16:30:04 GMT
I was just wondering if the fight purses are correct in my three fights today as i got less than 40k in total. 10k for a home fighter at world rank #11 25k for away fighter in continental rank #14 2.6k for a UK title defense These were all undercards. I don't think anything I changed last turn would effect this. $10k for #11 boxer in a world is wrong. I think others are more likely. This has never happened to anyone before? |
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Post by Pav on Jun 27, 2013 16:33:18 GMT
I was just wondering if the fight purses are correct in my three fights today as i got less than 40k in total. 10k for a home fighter at world rank #11 25k for away fighter in continental rank #14 2.6k for a UK title defense These were all undercards. I don't think anything I changed last turn would effect this. $10k for #11 boxer in a world is wrong. I think others are more likely. This has never happened to anyone before? Boxer salaries is one of major changes that B2G introduced. Would would happen in real world if boxers would get contracted to gyms and get salaries like football players. We would get more than 1 fight per year for sure. |
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